Coroner’s Clerk Lebrun, who played a major role in the drafting of the Sullivan Law, pointed out that the number of suicides by firearms had dropped 40% over the previous year. He credited the new law with this decline. Lebrun did not comment on the number of homicides by firearms, but opponents of the Sullivan Law were quick to do so. In the last pre-Sullivan law year, 1910, there had been 108 such homicides; in 1912 there were 113. The quarrel over statistics made its debut as part of the firearms controversy.
— Lee Kennett and Jules LaVerne Anderson, The Gun in America (1975), p. 185, emphasis added
One of my close college friends, a math major who went on to get a Ph.D. and teach up at LeMoyne College, had a nice little book called “How to Lie With Statistics”
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This is a good point. Peer review is not formally absent in these processes, though I find the medical/public health peer review less rigorous than in sociology. And I don’t expect peer review to be perfect in any case. But it can be better. As I have written before drawing on Jonathan Haidt, peer review really only works well if you have people looking at an issue from different angles.
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The problem with the Sullivan Law is that it’s only city-wide. Unless the city has walls and a mote, city-wide laws don’t work.
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I believe the Sullivan Law covers the entire state (was passed by the state legislature and signed by the governor), though I can imagine discretionary aspects of it are administered differently in NYC vs elsewhere in NY. NYC may also have additional laws on top of the Sullivan Law – I cannot say for sure.
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I’ll be doggone. I haven’t read much about the Sullivan Law any time recently. (It’s something how a person’s memory can distort things.) I’ll have to research it. Thanks!
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The Sullivan Act (1911??) applies statewide as David says. In addition, NYS does not have a preemption clause and further, each county implements the Sullivan Act (unless that recently changed). For example, I got my pistol permit in Monroe County and the government agency authorizing it was the Monroe Co Sheriff but the permit was recognized in all counties except the five boroughs of NY. New York City has always been toughest and in addition to regulating handguns, has long regulated long guns.
The SAFE Act recently passed and signed by Cuomo is also statewide but has a different focus than the Sullivan Act, which acts independently of SAFE.
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Thanks, Khal.
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It looks like it is still a county application from this web site. I did have to contact the State Police to let them know I no longer live in NYS so I think they may have a statewide permit registry. Anyway, NYC has always been a PITA.
https://www.monroecounty.gov/clerk-pistolpermits
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Of course, as a state law, Sullivan would then require a wall and moat around the whole state. 🙂
Anyway, here’s a nifty YouTube video about one German gun owner’s explanation & opinion on the laws of his country: https://youtu.be/q0-J2pYLCvI
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Your comment about a moat is on point. I always thought having a nationally standardized gun permit system, i.e., national reciprocity with national screening protocols, would make more sense but then you would have to get NY, NJ, and CA et al to agree with KS, TX, and ND et al. Good luck with that. They would all rather fight to the bitter end than compromise.
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Sad to say, Khal, you’re likely right about states on the different ends of the spectrum throwing a wrench into things.
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